Pedersoli Reproductions

[North Country Gal]

Dan, yeah, I'm in the same position now that I've gotten out of reloading. Right now, there's gorgeous Ruger 1S in 45-70 at our local shop, but I just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money when I already have a couple 45-70 barrels for the TCs, especially given the price of 45-70 factory ammo.

You can NEVER go wrong with a 22 LR bolt gun.

[dddrees]

Have a look at the Uberti 1885 hi or low wall.

Thanks

I think the low wall would actually be the better fit, but I’m also looking at a Anschutz 64 MPR or a 1903 currently.

The whole bench thing is new to me and I also need to figure out which scope to go with and rather I want to get a bipod or not.

[dddrees]

Dan, yeah, I'm in the same position now that I've gotten out of reloading. Right now, there's gorgeous Ruger 1S in 45-70 at our local shop, but I just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money when I already have a couple 45-70 barrels for the TCs, especially given the price of 45-70 factory ammo.

You can NEVER go wrong with a 22 LR bolt gun.

Yeah, even though I knew it wouldn’t be but maybe a few times a year, even then it would either be just a few rounds or it would end up being a more expensive day than I would care to spend.

Frankly it sounds based on the little research that I did and I could be wrong but it sounds more like a rifle for those into loading and firing black powder.

[Mistered]

I think what kept me from buying the used Shilo Sharps 45-70 I was looking at a couple years ago was the need to start loading a new caliber and having to get everything that goes with that.

[dddrees]

I think what kept me from buying the used Shilo Sharps 45-70 I was looking at a couple years ago was the need to start loading a new caliber and having to get everything that goes with that.

Personally I don’t reload and since it involves some things I’m generally not that good at I think it’s best I’m not doing that.

[North Country Gal]

Have a look at the Uberti 1885 hi or low wall.

Thanks

I think the low wall would actually be the better fit, but I’m also looking at a Anschutz 64 MPR or a 1903 currently.

The whole bench thing is new to me and I also need to figure out which scope to go with and rather I want to get a bipod or not.

Dan, I like bipods, but one big negative, in my experience, is that a gun on a bipod often shoots to a different POI than the same gun without a bipod, which kind of locks you in to using a bipod all the time. I like bipods for use in the field when a bench or other rest is not convenient at hand, but almost every bench shooter in pursuit of ultimate accuracy shoots from a conventional rest with bags. Those can be used with any gun, but not all guns are bipod friendly. Learning how to use a rest with bags at the bench is a skill that every serious bench shooter needs to learn. My two cents, anyway.

[dddrees]

Have a look at the Uberti 1885 hi or low wall.

Thanks

I think the low wall would actually be the better fit, but I’m also looking at a Anschutz 64 MPR or a 1903 currently.

The whole bench thing is new to me and I also need to figure out which scope to go with and rather I want to get a bipod or not.

Dan, I like bipods, but one big negative, in my experience, is that a gun on a bipod often shoots to a different POI than the same gun without a bipod, which kind of locks you in to using a bipod all the time. I like bipods for use in the field when a bench or other rest is not convenient at hand, but almost every bench shooter in pursuit of ultimate accuracy shoots from a conventional rest with bags. Those can be used with any gun, but not all guns are bipod friendly. Learning how to use a rest with bags at the bench is a skill that every serious bench shooter needs to learn. My two cents, anyway.

Thanks NCG, I”ll put that on hold for now. I was thinking maybe the bipod would give me an option of going either way. I can see where that might get in the way however and I don’t really want to spend money on something best not to get in the first place.


I think the scope will be a bit more difficult. I have absolutely no experience doing that. I think I want something decent but I hadn’t planned on spending as much on the scope as I do the rifle.

[North Country Gal]

Dan, you can certainly spend as much on a scope as you want, but there is no need to pay as much for a scope as the gun, especially on a rimfire, even though some scope snobs will insist, otherwise. I've even used a lowly Simmons 3-9x 22 Mag scope which set me back all of $40 and it did the job. I usually move up into the Nikon Rimfire scope line for my serious rimfire rifles because the Nikons have excellent optics, but even the best of those will still be well under $200.

[dddrees]

Dan, you can certainly spend as much on a scope as you want, but there is no need to pay as much for a scope as the gun, especially on a rimfire, even though some scope snobs will insist, otherwise. I've even used a lowly Simmons 3-9x 22 Mag scope which set me back all of $40 and it did the job. I usually move up into the Nikon Rimfire scope line for my serious rimfire rifles because the Nikons have excellent optics, but even the best of those will still be well under $200.

I'm completely a newb here, but I would like to make informed decision as best as I can. I'm not sure even if I know the right questions to ask.

For example what are the brands and what are they known for? Basically who all are the players and what do I get for the money. Is the Leopold brand the best if not who is? Who has the clearest glass and who has the best warranty? If I don't wish to go with the best who are the players right below and who still has a great deal but with a good warranty?


I'm not sure distance wise what I should be looking at but I am thinnking 100 yards sounds about right. Is that the range I should be expecting to be able to shoot or should that be any further? Based on something I saw that might mean I am looking at 4 magnification, I think.


I'm thinking rings maybe the next thing to consider. Not only size for scope and dove tail but maybe heigth as well. This may also require a bit of research but I'm not entirely sure. I do know eye relief is supposedly very important. Spotting scope may also become necessary as well.


Thanks again,

Dan

[North Country Gal]

Dan, you could write a book on the subject, but first thing to do is outline how you'll be using the gun, considering the type of gun, cartridge, target size and, of course distance you'll be shooting. Will you be shooting from a rest, at the range or will you be hunting and so on? The scope you use should be a reflection of all of these factors.

Lots of personal preference involved, too. For instance, I could in theory put a giant 8-32 x50 scope on my little Browning SA -22 and, yes, such a scope would maximize the accuracy of the little Browning, but such a scope with mount and rings would completely destroy the handling qualities of the little SA 22, not to mention aesthetics going out the window. Or how about putting the latest tactical scope with huge turrets, oversized bells, add on laser and highly complicated ballistic reticles on a traditional lever gun? Some folks do it, though. Yup, have seen some pretty unusual rigs in my time.

[RanchRoper]

You never know when you might need to hit a wooden bucket 1200 yards away, 3 times, during a job interview....

[North Country Gal]

I'll just bet you could give old Quigley a run for the money, RR. That was such great scene.

[RanchRoper]

I'll just bet you could give old Quigley a run for the money, RR. That was such great scene.

Selleck is rich, famous and good looking but he doesn't have that inner warmth that I have...

[North Country Gal]

I'll take inner warmth, any day. Really important, up here in the cold north.

[dddrees]

Dan, you could write a book on the subject, but first thing to do is outline how you'll be using the gun, considering the type of gun, cartridge, target size and, of course distance you'll be shooting. Will you be shooting from a rest, at the range or will you be hunting and so on? The scope you use should be a reflection of all of these factors.

Lots of personal preference involved, too. For instance, I could in theory put a giant 8-32 x50 scope on my little Browning SA -22 and, yes, such a scope would maximize the accuracy of the little Browning, but such a scope with mount and rings would completely destroy the handling qualities of the little SA 22, not to mention aesthetics going out the window. Or how about putting the latest tactical scope with huge turrets, oversized bells, add on laser and highly complicated ballistic reticles on a traditional lever gun? Some folks do it, though. Yup, have seen some pretty unusual rigs in my time.

Not having the faintest clue what the Anshutz 64MPR 22 is capable of I think I'm looking at 100 yards from a bench rest. Me myself I'm an old man with eyes that now require +2 reading glasses. I can focus and read at a distance but that small stuff up close requires glasses or a magnifying glass. The rifle already weighs almost 9lbs so I doubt much that this will ever be used in the field or even off hand. Tom Selleck is my hero, but heck I can't even grow a mustache. You laugh but I smile because I never had that much of a problem shaving. Anyway, I doubt much that I will be trying to hit buckets at 1200 yrds and frankly I'm guessing but I think maybe that was just a bit of Hollywood magic.

Anyhoo, any help would be appreciated,


Dan

[North Country Gal]

Dan, my opinion on the 22 LR is that it's at it's best as a 50 yard cartridge and though it can maintain the same MOA out at 100 yards, it takes a day of excellent shooting conditions to do so. If you really want to shoot at 100 yards on a regular basis under all conditions, there are better cartridges, usually meaning 22 centerfires like the 223, 222, 22 Hornet and so on. Any of those can produce excellent accuracy at 100 yards, even on a breezy day. I strongly recommend the 223 for those of us who don't reload and rely on factory ammo. 223 bulk factory ammo is the cheapest centerfire rifle ammo you can buy and it will do a fine job for practice shooting at 100yards, even going under an inch in some of our 223s. And, of course, the 223 is still a great cartridge at double and even triple that distance.

On any scope you choose for 100 yard work with a rimfire cartridge, I recommend an adjustable objective for the sake of dialing out parallax. If you're like most rimfire shooters, you'll be bouncing back and forth from up close to way out there at 100 yards and even beyond. An AO on a scope lets you shoot at any distance without the hassle of the parallax headache.

I do fine with a 3-9x on most of my rimfires, because I have the experience to squeeze out most of the accuracy a 22 LR has to offer at 9x. For 100 yard work, though, I like a touch more magnification, something like a 4-12x, 4-14x and such with an AO. Some folks like even more, but, keep in mind, that as you go up in magnification, a scope becomes increasingly hard to use, not to mention putting more demands on optical quality. Even cheap scopes can look pretty good at low power, but when you crank up that magnification to 9x and beyond, you'll quickly see the difference between a cheap scope and an expensive scope.

[dddrees]

Dan, my opinion on the 22 LR is that it's at it's best as a 50 yard cartridge and though it can maintain the same MOA out at 100 yards, it takes a day of excellent shooting conditions to do so. If you really want to shoot at 100 yards on a regular basis under all conditions, there are better cartridges, usually meaning 22 centerfires like the 223, 222, 22 Hornet and so on. Any of those can produce excellent accuracy at 100 yards, even on a breezy day. I strongly recommend the 223 for those of us who don't reload and rely on factory ammo. 223 bulk factory ammo is the cheapest centerfire rifle ammo you can buy and it will do a fine job for practice shooting at 100yards, even going under an inch in some of our 223s. And, of course, the 223 is still a great cartridge at double and even triple that distance.

On any scope you choose for 100 yard work with a rimfire cartridge, I recommend an adjustable objective for the sake of dialing out parallax. If you're like most rimfire shooters, you'll be bouncing back and forth from up close to way out there at 100 yards and even beyond. An AO on a scope lets you shoot at any distance without the hassle of the parallax headache.

I do fine with a 3-9x on most of my rimfires, because I have the experience to squeeze out most of the accuracy a 22 LR has to offer at 9x. For 100 yard work, though, I like a touch more magnification, something like a 4-12x, 4-14x and such with an AO. Some folks like even more, but, keep in mind, that as you go up in magnification, a scope becomes increasingly hard to use, not to mention putting more demands on optical quality. Even cheap scopes can look pretty good at low power, but when you crank up that magnification to 9x and beyond, you'll quickly see the difference between a cheap scope and an expensive scope.

Ah, see I wasn't even sure what was a good expectation with regards to range. I'm in no way locked into a range and for now I'm still trying to keep it 22 LR.

I'm still such a newb with regards to scopes however. But right now the whole rifle choice has kind of been upended so I think I'll put this off for now. The Anschutz appears to have a known extraction issue that would be rather bothersome for me.


Thanks again and I hate to be such a pain but I have to thank you again for being so patient and so helpful.


Cheers,

Dan