WILLIAMS FP 336 vs FP 94-36

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:04 pm

Is the side mounted 94-36 lower than the too mounted 336.

I'd like to use the origanal front sight.

Mistered · Post by **Mistered** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:44 pm

Is the side mounted 94-36 lower than the too mounted 336.

What rifle are you referring to mounting a Williams sight on?

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:45 am

Oh sorry. A Zane Grey Century. 30-30. A tapered octagon in a 336 receiver on a pistol grip but stock. The front sight is dove tailed not on ramp so even though it a tall sight it relatively low. With a Williams 336 sight at it's lowest setting poi is somewhere near 400 yards.
With a below max 150 Grainer.
I thought I read somewhere the 94-36 sight mounted lower.

Post by **North Country Gal** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:49 am

Yes, the FP (side-mounted) is lower. Have yet to need to change out a front sight with this model and have used them on over a dozen rifles. The top-mounted 336 is much more likely to need a different front sight. Not always, but sometimes. About half the time on rifles I've equipped with the 336.

Mistered · Post by **Mistered** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:54 pm

Have yet to need to change out a front sight with this model and have used them on over a dozen rifles.

Same here - the 94/36 side mount has a wide range of elevation which is an advantage. Here is one of mine on a mod 94.

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:03 pm

Thank you NCG! I ordered one.
I have three 336's. all with the Williams 336s receiver sights. The two 30-30s I had to get taller front sights. The 35 Remington did not need a change.
The ZG has a tall,almost half an inch, thin blade with the smallest bead on top. Gives a great sight picture even "way out there" where other beads turn into manhole covers.

Post by **North Country Gal** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:22 pm

You're welcome. Let us know how it shoots for you.

Mistered · Post by **Mistered** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:32 pm

I am however becoming a fan of the basic, square 'blade' front with the Williams sight as it allows me a 'flat' spot with which to set my target on for a '6:00' sight profile as opposed to having a 'bead' front which are great but make it a little more difficult with the 6:00 sight position. This is a recent swap out off of a Winchester I have and I am really liking it but opinions may vary!

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:03 pm

This is the front sight it .4 inches tall.

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Post by **bandit1250** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:49 pm

Usually when I hear of some one that has to change the front sight to a higher one is when using a Williams top mount peep. The side mount rarely needs the higher front on a Marlin unless it is a Marlin Glenfield or any of the models that use the dove tailed low front sight as a lot of the store brand Marlins had. The Zane Grey model has a fairly tall front and should work fine especially with the side mount. I don't care for the top mount unless the gun is new enough that it is not side drilled for a peep. I don't have a problem with my Zane Grey it has a Leupold 1-4x20 straight tube on it with Weaver rings and base.

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:54 pm

The front sight on my '68 RC has a Williams fire site on the ramp. Ramp and all it stands .60 inches tall
2 tenths taller than the ZG.
That's like a 25 MOA difference for the ZG.

Post by **North Country Gal** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:20 am

I'm not a fan of bead front sights, either. Much prefer a flat blade for accuracy work. On any rifle that I own that has a dovetail fit front sight, it gets a globe sight added, quick. That gives me the option of different blade widths and styles.

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:25 pm

Just to hedge my bet I ordered a taller sight from Skinner.

Beech Creek Gary · Post by **Beech Creek Gary** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:47 pm

Ojaileveraction wrote:Is the side mounted 94-36 lower than the too mounted 336.

I'd like to use the origanal front sight.

The height of the aperature at it's lowest setting is the same on both.

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:41 pm

Beech Creek Gary wrote:
Ojaileveraction wrote:Is the side mounted 94-36 lower than the too mounted 336.

I'd like to use the origanal front sight.
The height of the aperature at it's lowest setting is the same on both.

I well find out in a few days.
Thank you

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:33 pm

So the Williams 94/36 receiver sight I bought through Amazon is not lower, or even low as, because it doesn't fit squarely on the receiver, catywonkus is the tech term.

I ordered a fp/tk this looks like a 5d with target knobs added. There is no through hole for an extended elevation screw like most FP models have.

Mistered · Post by **Mistered** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:53 pm

because it doesn't fit squarely on the receiver,

Is this particular model of Marlin drilled and tapped for the 94/36? It most likely should be. Please post a side view pic of the sight on the receiver.

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:55 am

because it doesn't fit squarely on the receiver,

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The left side of the sight elevator is hitting the edge off the receiver.
Compared to the space on the right side.

Mistered · Post by **Mistered** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:41 am

That is not right! I would call Williams and send
Them this picture. It would be easy to shim it out but it appears to me the mount is a couple thou too thin.

Ojaileveraction · Post by **Ojaileveraction** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:24 pm

The sight elevator on the 336 model and the 94/36 Williams sights are the same demesions as far as I can measure. They look like the same part.
I put the top mounted 336 model back on and changed out the original front sight with a Skinner

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I'm going to save the 94/36 Williams for any Winnie 94 that may be in my future.

Buy a rifle for a sight, that's a good reason/excuse.

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