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Old Conservation Project

Post by BrokenolMarine » Sun Apr 06, 2025 9:50 pm

Daytime Time posted a thread about his new NAA .22 Revolver Belt Buckle and I mentioned using one back in the early 80s while on Active Duty to support a Conservation Project. I didn't want to hijack his thread, so I said I would post a separate thread about the project. ;)

For those interested, I'll try and cover it here. I found it very interesting, which is why I volunteered to work on it. It began like this:

One of the cash products of the Hawaiian Islands is Sugar Cane. (Not the Number one cash product back in the 80s, the number one cash product was agricultural, but illegal.) :twisted: The cane fields were lush, green, and filled with tall cane, and ... rats. Big cane rats. The Hawaiians didn't like the rats, they bite. The brilliant minds at University of Hawaii saw video of Mongoose vs. Cobras and the Mongoose always won. "Wow," they thought, "If a Mongoose can kill a Cobra, they should easily kill a cane rat." :) They contacted their peers in India and made arrangements to meet in India to test this theory. Trapping samples of the cane rats, they flew them to India, and dropped them into tanks with the Mongoose. No contest... like dropping a loud mouth drunk into the ring with Ali. A deal was struck and a large number of mated pairs of Mongoose were brought to Hawaii to introduce into the Cane Fields. They sat back to watch their brilliant idea clean up the Rats. 8-)

Small problem. None of the Brilliant Minds in either country stopped to remember that Cane Rats are nocturnal, and Mongoose ... aren't. The only time they met was at the time clock for shift change. :o However, the mongoose were excellent hunters and found plenty of native species to dine on. They were also excellent breeders. The U of H minds forgot the Main Rule....

It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature.

It wasn't long until the mongoose covered the island like Squirrels on the mainland. They were everywhere. Problem is, they would eat what they could catch, or find. They were great at eating eggs of things that nested on the ground. Like the Hawaiian Stilt, the Hawaii State Bird. They take the egg, hike it like an NFL center and it skitters across the ground. Doesn't break? Hike it again... hits something to crack it, lap it up. Nesting baby birds... same result, but don't need to hike them.

Stilt population had dropped to less than 300.

Kaneohe Marine Air Station had a Wildlife Preservation Area, Marsh and Ponds, on the base. Prime Breeding area for the Stilt. The base conservationist, PHD, contacted the Rod and Gun Club to see if we would help with a special program to trap the mongoose to protect the Stilts. At first the program was set up by a Navy Chief, Corpman by MOS but also a trained Veteranarian. He was the President of the Rod and Gun Club, and I was the Hunting Chairman at the time.

I was a Sergeant and promoted to Staff Sergeant, just waiting for my number to come up to add my rocker. He knew me well from other jobs we worked together and recommended me for the (federal) Game Warden Program on base. This would allow me to carry a firearm on base, and discharge it in conjunction with that duty. I took over from him. We had dozens of Hav-A-Hart Traps set around the ponds in the marsh and during the first six or eight months we caught about 100 mongoose a month. Then dropped to the fifties. We kept catching them in the forties for the two years I was involved before I rotated back to the states. At the End of the second year of the program, the count for Hawaiian Stilts was up over 1,000 and still climbing. We received the Conservation Organization of the Year from the National Wildlife Federation for the Program.

We baited the traps with Smelt, a nasty little fish. The base acquired them in 100 pound blocks. I thawed them and divided them into one gallon zip lock bags. I orginally drove the pond marshed in a 4x4 pickup, but the hassle of checking it out, then washing it and doing the paperwork was a pain. I eventually just rode the tracks around the pond and through the marsh on my mountain bike. I added a rack and carried the deceased mongoose out on the rack on the back in opague trash bags... didn't want to upset the bleeding hearts.

One of my fellow Marines tagged along to see the procedure we used, and his wife got all upset. Whined that the mongoose were so cute and what we were doing was horrible. I explained we were protecting the state bird and the mongoose were an invasive species, but she wasn't having it. So, I brought one out in a cage so she could see one "Up Close." She ooh'd and ahh'd and wanted to pet it. I told her it was dangerous but she came up anyway. It tried to eat her through the wire. She no longer thought they were cute and cuddly.

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I understand the program continued on base for several years after I left and the PHD helped U 0f H spread the program to other locations around the island. The Stilts did not go extinct after all. I think they still have mongoose on the island.
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Re: Old Conservation Project

Post by Cofisher » Sun Apr 06, 2025 10:06 pm

It's amazing how the tree hugger / animal lovers can come to reality with a simple confrontation. I'm glad you were able to get past that with your project.
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Re: Old Conservation Project

Post by BrokenolMarine » Mon Apr 07, 2025 3:14 am

An story from working that project. A "Circle Of Life" Tale.

While running the trap line, I often saw various interesting wildlife. Hawaii has it's fair share, NO snakes. (At least not then...). One afternoon, I saw a cool bird later identified as a Kingfisher along the shore, he suddenly lept aloft, soared around the pond, and went into an attack profile and grabbed a large rat. A couple beats of his wings and the pair were up and away. I always had binos and caught them climbing. The rat twisted, bit the Kingfisher hard in a lower leg and he let go. Down, down, down came Mr. Rat to splash in the pond, and he surfaced, swimming hard for shore, hoping to hide in the vegetation. (Okay, I'm guessing, I didn't interview him after to determine his actual plans...)

Kingfisher banked, dove hard and hit the rat with both feet out, driving him under. Mr. Rat never stood a chance. The Kingfisher sat calmly on the surface, holding his prospective dinner firmly under. The only evidence of the struggle, the ripples around the King's body as he waited for dinner to calm down, and admit defeat.

The ponds were brackish and were separated from the ocean by a thin section of land. They contained fish, but no fishing was allowed. It was suspected the ponds were connected to the ocean, but that had not been proven. These were a conservation area and strictly controlled. I was only there for our project.

Kingfisher is floating, Mr. Rat is subsurface and complaining, not happy he doesn't have a snorkel. His struggles have all but ceased. Mr. Kingfisher gathers his wings and arches his neck to fly off....

The water below him bulges, then there is an explosion of foam and water. Drops falls to the surface and a hint of a dark shape was briefly almost visible. The water churns, settles, the ripples die away. Only a couple feathers remain. Mr. Rat and The King have vanished in an instant, in that explosion of foam and spray of water. Cool.

Shark? Baracudda? I don't know. The Rat and the Kingfisher probably don't either. Always something bigger in the food chain.

Too bad we didn't have cell phone cameras back then. My video cam was huge, and used VHS tapes. I obviously didn't carry it everywhere.
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Re: Old Conservation Project

Post by rickhem » Mon Apr 07, 2025 10:05 am

I was on O'ahu back in 2021. We stayed in Ko Olina, on the southwestern corner of the island, and there are a series of man-made semicircle lagoons there. It's a resort area, and it's hotel after hotel all along the shore there. I'd wake early and take a walk from our hotel, past all those lagoons, walking down to the inlet, where I'd fish for a while until everyone woke up. I'd see these little animals quite often, and one day I struck up conversation with a woman in a wheelchair about them. I asked her what they were, since they obviously weren't squirrels. I thought it was some kind of a weasel. She told me they were mongoose. First time I ever saw one was there.
Our hotel had an "adults only" pool, and from the edge of that, we'd often see the mongoose (what's the pleural of that anyway?) hunting along the ocean side of the resort. I knew they would attack a snake, but I never knew they'd hunt other things. Funny how that once you're aware of something being around, how often you then see it after that.

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Re: Old Conservation Project

Post by BrokenolMarine » Mon Apr 07, 2025 10:24 am

Hawaii had a very strict ban on importation of snakes since they had none native to the island. The airport and port inspectors were diligent in their pursuit of those trying to smuggle them in. Bringing in a single snake back then would result in jail time and a huge fine. I'd suspect it's still the same.
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Re: Old Conservation Project

Post by Hatchdog » Mon Apr 07, 2025 10:26 am

BOM, you tell a story better than most. Loved reading about the Mongoose but the bird/rat/????fish had me laughing aloud. :D

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Post by North Country Gal » Mon Apr 07, 2025 10:37 am

Great story, one of many I've read over the years about how "managing Nature" backfires.

We have our share of invasive species in our Wisconsin north woods. One of them is the earthworm. Yeah, earthworms. Earthworms are not a native species up here. The worms get carelessly dumped on the ground by people when they are done fishing. The problem is that our sandy and gravelly north woods soils are not very fertile and the worms feed on what little organic matter there is and make the soils even less fertile. The result is a loss of ground cover plants on our forest floor. Yeah, we have them on our property. Between the deer over browsing everything they can reach and the earthworms, our neighborhood forest is not too healthy.

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Post by BrokenolMarine » Mon Apr 07, 2025 10:50 am

Look at the disruption done by anacondas, iquanas, snakeheads, huge Goldfish, and asian carp. Non natives dumped into the environment once they were no longer wanted by those who bought them. I have also read of fishermen dumping live bait into waters when they leave, non native to the waters, and suddenly the waters are filled with non native baitfish.
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Post by Hatchdog » Tue Apr 08, 2025 10:00 am

Here in Washington and Idaho there is a strong effort to keep invasive species from invading our lakes and rivers from boats moving into the area. Anytime I cross the state line with my boat I have to stop at an inspection station (both directions) where the inspectors check the hull and outdrive for mussels and other critters. Even for mil-foil which is a weed that once it takes hold will choke out a lake.

Appreciate their efforts and happy to stop for an inspection.

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Post by cooperhawk » Tue Apr 08, 2025 10:52 am

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Post by rickhem » Tue Apr 08, 2025 2:15 pm

Hatchdog wrote:
Tue Apr 08, 2025 10:00 am
Here in Washington and Idaho there is a strong effort to keep invasive species from invading our lakes and rivers from boats moving into the area. Anytime I cross the state line with my boat I have to stop at an inspection station (both directions) where the inspectors check the hull and outdrive for mussels and other critters. Even for mil-foil which is a weed that once it takes hold will choke out a lake.

Appreciate their efforts and happy to stop for an inspection.
The NY DEC does this as well. The area covered by Adirondack Park is a particular focal point for boat inspections and such to help prevent the spread of zebra muscles. You can see these small inspection and cleaning stations all along the back roads when driving through the less populated areas covered by the park.
Quick story: We used to have a couple jetskis, and would take them to a few local lakes on nice days. We brought them up to Lake George one weekend, so we could explore the lake from the water. Lake George has a very powerful lake association, is a real hotspot for these environmental issues, and it's a huge tourist destination for people from downstate and other more urban areas. They really do protect what they have up there. They have a public beach and boat launch at the southern end of the lake called Million Dollar Beach, and the boat launch area has an inspection and cleaning pad for anyone putting a boat into the lake. That beach area gets so busy that there's never any parking, but sometimes you get lucky with the trailer as those spots are reserved for people launching boats. I pulled up to the cleaning station, and they told me there were no spaces for a truck/trailer, but that they'd do the inspection and cleaning if I wanted. It was free, and they put a wire tie and seal on the bow eye and trailer winch hook for each jetski, so I could then launch them anywhere else on the lake, since they now would have been approved by the Lake Association. These were older jetskis, and I'd done a fair bit of work on them, and the 900 had a lot of staining on the hull interior. Well the guy inspecting looked inside, and said that one was fine, but the 1200 needed a rinse. They have this uber-powerful shop vac type hose that they hold in the depths of the hull, and then they use really hot water to spray out the rest of the hull, killing any spores or microbes that might be in there. The hot water is sucked out as fast as they put it in, I was impressed. That sure cleaned the heck out of that hull! I kept asking the guy if he wanted to take another look at the 900, since that had the staining, and he laughed and said it didn't need it, but he'd wash it if I wanted, so he did. About then, another guy working there said that someone with a boat was leaving, so I could have that parking spot and launch if I wanted, I just had to go back to the booth and pay the fee. Right place at the right time kinda deal. Worked out great all the way around!
They sure do take that boat wash seriously though. The zebra muscles have invaded so many other places up north that it may be a loosing battle at this point.

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Post by daytime dave » Tue Apr 08, 2025 5:19 pm

Our lake in the Adks is looking for Milfoil. The first time my canoe was inspected, I think I would have done better if I had pulled it brand new out of a box. The young girl was rude and nasty. Everyone else since that first year has been great.
I appreciate the job these young folk do for us.

We have, or had, invasive pigs in Upstate NY. The DEC said shoot them on sight, at first. Now, if seen, I don't know what you do. I haven't seen any, but.........they may not leave the property, except as take out. :D :lol: :roll: 8-)
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Post by BrokenolMarine » Tue Apr 08, 2025 5:51 pm

Same here with the swine or coyotes, no permits, no season.
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Post by Mags » Tue Apr 08, 2025 7:50 pm

Oregon has boat inspections too. But not everywhere. There are none along the Columbia River, except Umatilla and in SE OR, US95.
I thought it weird that California didn't have a boat inspection on Southbound I5, but a little deeper dive found that California does their inspections right at a bazillion of their lakes. Good for jobs that way I suppose.

Oregon Year-round stations:
  • Ashland: I-5 at the Ashland Port of Entry
    Ontario: I-84 at the Ontario Rest Area

Seasonal stations (usually open April to September):
  • Brookings: Hwy. 101 at the Brookings weigh station
    Klamath Falls: US-97 at the Midland Rest Area
    Lakeview: Hwy. 395
    Umatilla: Hwy. 730 at the Umatilla Port of Entry
Roving inspections: Crews may also open inspection stations at random boat ramps around the state.
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Re: Old Conservation Project

Post by rickhem » Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:38 am

The boat inspections are a good thing in the big picture. I'll say that every time I've had them done, it was a good experience, but only that one at Lake George ever took any real steps beyond just inspection. I don't have messy watercraft, and I don't leave any weeds or vegetation hanging off the trailers, but according to some of the people that do the inspections, that's not how everyone rolls.
The zebra muscles are so prolific, and such efficient filter feeders, that the waterways they infest soon become almost gin clear. That may be aesthetically pleasing, but it disrupts the food chain at the lowest levels, and the domino effect carries right up to all the fish we hope to see/catch in those waters. Probably not good for the ecosystem overall either.
Weeds are almost the opposite, in that the fish do really well in water that is overgrown with vegetation, but the recreational use of that water becomes prohibitively difficult. We have a smallish body of water near me <200 acres, that has a max depth of about 15 feet. About 10 years ago, fishing was great and it held a lot of bass and pickerel that were easy to catch. Now it's so weeded over that early spring is the only time you can put a boat on it, and even then your trolling motor (electric only) will weed up every 5 minutes. Kayaks and canoes are all that uses it now, but even those have difficulty. After June, the weeds have all reached the surface, and there is almost no open water visible due to all the vegetation.

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