ammo tariffs

[The Wiz]

If you think the tariffs are not going to affect ammo prices you live in La La Land. All your favorite imports will be priced out of the market. A good explanation is given at SGAmmo.com. I have been doing business with Sam for over ten years and he has a good handle on the ammo industry. It is his April 3 news letter. I would give a link but i am not sure on how to do that. This is insane.

[GunnyGene]

If you think the tariffs are not going to affect ammo prices you live in La La Land. All your favorite imports will be priced out of the market. A good explanation is given at SGAmmo.com. I have been doing business with Sam for over ten years and he has a good handle on the ammo industry. It is his April 3 news letter. I would give a link but i am not sure on how to do that. This is insane.

News letter requires a subscription, so you obviously are a subscriber. I'm not, but I agree with your comment. Tariffs will effect prices for imported components such as copper, brass stock, etc. that is bought by ammo manufacturers such as Hornady, Federal, etc. This will set off a scramble for new suppliers that aren't impacted by tariffs. Typically, manufacturer's will have buffer stock on hand to cover a month or so of production, but after that's used up it will be dog eat dog.

The same holds true for many other industries that source raw material (minerals, etc.) from foreign countries. It all trickles down thru the supply chains all the way down to the guys who dig stuff out of the ground. I have some experience with supply chain management when I worked for Boeing Commercial for 15 years. It's a really big, critical, and complicated, deal.

[cooperhawk]

Let's not get too excited yet. This is all a process that will take time to wring out.
Meanwhile we have copper mines as well as lead mines in the US that are not producing because they cannot compete.
It would be good for the country if we were producing our own products especially ones such as brass and lead that our military needs.

I belong to neither party. I'm just looking at the process and hoping it will all work out for the best.

[GunnyGene]

Let's not get too excited yet. This is all a process that will take time to wring out.
Meanwhile we have copper mines as well as lead mines in the US that are not producing because they cannot compete.
It would be good for the country if we were producing our own products especially ones such as brass and lead that our military needs.

I belong to neither party. I'm just looking at the process and hoping it will all work out for the best.

It might work out, might not. It all smells like Economic Warfare, but without the blockades - yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_warfare

Excerpt:

Policies and measures in economic warfare may include blockade, blacklisting, preclusive purchasing, rewards and the capturing or the control of enemy assets or supply lines.[3] Other policies, such tariff discrimination, sanctions, the suspension of aid, the freezing of capital assets, the prohibition of investment and other capital flows, expropriation, and debasing the target's currency by counterfeiting.[4][5] even without armed military war, may constitute economic warfare.

[Hatchdog]

I read about this on another forum and SGA listed companies we would expect to be on the list like PMC, Mag-Tech etc.

[GFK]

Let's not get too excited yet. This is all a process that will take time to wring out.

I agree; none of us knows the future. There may be some pain, before something good is produced: kind of like child birth. I have not born a child. Yet, plenty of women stated that they did not want to go through it again. In fact, one man told me that his wife would not have another child, unless he was in the room also. She wanted him to see what she went through. He thought that a man should not be apart of that process. So, they have one child, who is 50 years old now.

[daytime dave]

Let's be careful in this one. As gun enthusiasts, collectors, shooters etc, this effects us.

Thank you,

Dave

[Vaquero]

Thanks Dave.

RP

[GunnyGene]

Bearing Arms: How this could impact the firearms industry:

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025 ... s-n1228206

[GFK]

I can understand. Most people like low prices. I think that is how this mess got started. Hopefully, it will work out to a win-win for all that are considered soon.

[The Wiz]

This could be one way to disarm
Americans. Price the ammo so high that the average person can't afford the sport. Bows and arrows anyone?

[GunnyGene]

This could be one way to disarm
Americans. Price the ammo so high that the average person can't afford the sport. Bows and arrows anyone?

Gonna make your own? Might want to start with a home made Atlatl if you have suitable trees.

[GunnyGene]

Here's the full statement from SGA, along with some commentary from TTAG:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ammo- ... e-warning/

[fortyshooter]

Took a long time to get where we are today and will take a long time to get back to the "before" if still possible.

[GunnyGene]

Took a long time to get where we are today and will take a long time to get back to the "before" if still possible.

The past is the past. I don't think anyone has invented a time machine yet, so there ain't no going back.

[GFK]

No. But, we can play fair. Should there be winners and losers? How much more debt can we take on, before we are owned by another (if not already)? Or, do we just don't pay our debt? If we don't pay for our house, someone will take it. Will someone just take control of our Country? If so, it probably will not be a peaceful situation. Maybe, I am being extreme. But, what is the logical end, if we keep heading in the same direction?

[Hatchdog]

Thank you Gunny for posting the articles from and about SGA. I hadn’t considered that our domestic ammo prices may increase due to the raw materials being imported. Interesting times for sure.

[cooperhawk]

One of the reasons that lead got so expensive is that the only lead mine in the US was closed and the lead was imported from Mexico. Lead is still expensive and if tariffs cause our own mines to reopen, that's good for the country.
I do not look at our stocks. I just let things be and have faith.
I absolutely refuse to worry myself about thing over which I have no control. Period!

[Mags]

One of the reasons that lead got so expensive is that the only lead mine in the US was closed and the lead was imported from Mexico. Lead is still expensive and if tariffs cause our own mines to reopen, that's good for the country.
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Mines reopening is definitely good for jobs in this country. But even if our mines reopen lead will still be expensive. The cost of producing domestic lead is what is regardless or Tariffs or not. Tariffs force higher prices for imports and give domestic production the chance to compete at those higher prices.

I do not look at our stocks. I just let things be and have faith.

Me too... well sort of. I do get a glance at them once a month at withdrawal time. SS doesn't pay the bills, so I do have to draw on my other savings/investments.

[CT_Shooter]

One of the reasons that lead got so expensive is that the only lead mine in the US was closed and the lead was imported from Mexico. Lead is still expensive and if tariffs cause our own mines to reopen, that's good for the country.

Interesting.

I had no reason to know that, but it struck me as curious, so I did a quick search to find out why the US doesn't mine lead.

In 2023, the US was the fourth-largest producer of lead globally, with production up by 0.77% compared to 2022.
Major Mining Areas:
The majority of lead mining in the US occurs in Missouri, particularly in the "Lead Belt" region, where substantial lead reserves have been mined for over a century.
Other Lead Mines:
Besides Missouri, lead is also produced in Alaska (Red Dog Mine) and Idaho (Lucky Friday Mine).
Production Volume:
In 2023, the US produced an estimated 270,000 metric tons of lead.
Byproduct Production:
Lead is also produced as a byproduct at zinc mines in Alaska and silver mines in Idaho.
Top Lead Mines in 2023
Red Dog Mine (Alaska): Produced an estimated 90,670 metric tons of lead.
Sweetwater Mine (Missouri): Produced an estimated 54,000 metric tons of lead.
Buick Mine (Missouri): Produced an estimated 22.9 thousand tonnes of lead.
Greens Creek Mine (Alaska): Produced an estimated 17.74 thousand tonnes of lead.
Lucky Friday Mine (Idaho): Produced an estimated 17.73 thousand tonnes of lead.

In 2022, the United States imported approximately 651,000 metric tons of refined, unwrought lead.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Refined, Unwrought Lead:
In 2022, the U.S. imported around 651,000 metric tons of this type of lead.
Lead Base Bullion:
In 2021, U.S. imports of lead base bullion amounted to 79 metric tons, a significant decrease compared to 2020, which had around 313 metric tons.
Top Import Sources:
The United States imports lead ore primarily from Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Spain, and Ireland.
Lead Ore:
The fastest-growing import markets in Lead Ore for the United States between 2022 and 2023 were Canada, the United Kingdom, and France.