New range toy/HD gun - Update w/Upgrades

[GunnyGene]

Gunny, just curious if you care to share. How much $ did that set you back?

The TS12 was $1395 out the door at the local AF Base Exchange. The Manticore stuff was $196 (on-line order). I had flip up sights already. Not counting ammo, I'm into this for about $1600.

[markiver54]

Gunny, just curious if you care to share. How much $ did that set you back?

The TS12 was $1395 out the door at the local AF Base Exchange. The Manticore stuff was $196 (on-line order). I had flip up sights already. Not counting ammo, I'm into this for about $1600.

Wow! Thanks Gunny. As I said, was just curious.
Don't think I can justify that.

[GunnyGene]

You're welcome.

[GunnyGene]

Gunny, just curious if you care to share. How much $ did that set you back?

The TS12 was $1395 out the door at the local AF Base Exchange. The Manticore stuff was $196 (on-line order). I had flip up sights already. Not counting ammo, I'm into this for about $1600.

Wow! Thanks Gunny. As I said, was just curious.
Don't think I can justify that.

In case you ever change your mind, or for anyone else who might buy, or try out, one of these, I'll pass along some safety advise. This gun is not a toy, and deserves the utmost respect.

SAFETY WARNING FOR POTENTIAL OWNERS/USERS!

Because of the way this gun is designed and operates, NEVER ASSUME THERE ISN'T A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE ANY SHELLS IN THE TUBES WHEN YOU ROTATE THEM. ALL 3 MAGAZINES CAN BE EMPTY AND THERE IS STILL A GOOD CHANCE THAT THERE IS ONE IN THE CHAMBER, OR ONE ON THE LIFTER READY TO GO IN! THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE IT'S SAFE IS TO FIRE IT DOWN RANGE OR HAUL THAT CHARGING HANDLE BACK WITH AUTHORITY TO OPEN THE BOLT!

[GunnyGene]

Just tried out the muzzle brake, etc. Good news! With the gas piston set to High for full load slugs and 00, the new butt pad, and the muzzle brake, recoil was substantially reduced. Feels about the same as my .41mag Henry now. Very comfortable. Also wanted to find out if it would consistently cycle low brass Target ammo (Winchester) with these changes, which it did without any problem. BoomchukaBoomchukaBoomchukaBoomchukaBoomchuka.

[RanchRoper]

Ok, here's the first target from the TS12. Distance approx 25 yds. Shot 5 rounds of each of the below shown ammo, and left the gas piston set to Low. The Brenneke slugs were pretty stout as I expected, and I'll probably set the piston on High for slugs or heavy 00, next time out. 15 rounds wasn't too bad on my 77yo shoulder but I wouldn't want to shoot much more than that in a single session. I'll probably order the better butt pad from IWI.



Everything patterned well, but I need to crank in a couple inches of windage to get it centered based on the slug results. Doesn't make much difference at this short range, but it would matter at longer range, say 50yds or more. Elevation was good.

Ejection: This gun throws them pretty far and a little forward. I could only find 11 empties in the grass, so 4 of them probably disappeared in one of the stump holes that were near, never to be seen again.

There were no functional problems at all. Everything worked perfectly, even the low power target load (1200 fps, which is a little under the recommended 1250).

All in all, I had a good time.Weather was perfect T-shirt conditions.

This is the small (about 3/4 full size) silhouette.

Enjoy counting the holes.



Oh, one other thing. Opened it up to see how dirty it was. It wasn't. Just a little powder residue in the barrel, and minute bit of carbon in the receiver area. Nothing to get excited about, so I'll probably not clean it at all unless it tells me it needs it.

Shoot to wound, good idea he may have info we need. That is a cool Man from Uncle gun.....

[GunnyGene]

A couple new things. Put a red dot on it since the flip up BUIS weren't working for me. My very first red dot. I think I like it - old dogs, new tricks . Also a decorative bit.

[markiver54]

Nice!!

[dasmoeturhead]

Very timely report. Thanks,cuz I've been doing research on the ts12 for a week now, and this afternoon I'm going down to the LGS to check them out. I'm still having a hard time deciding which color, either black, FDE, or OD green.

[GunnyGene]

Very timely report. Thanks,cuz I've been doing research on the ts12 for a week now, and this afternoon I'm going down to the LGS to check them out. I'm still having a hard time deciding which color, either black, FDE, or OD green.

I didn't have a choice of color, but I'd have gotten black anyway. You're gonna want about $200 or more in ammo just to break it in. Mine's settled in now, and cycles reliably with anything that meets the minimum weight/muzzle velocity (1250fps, 1 1/8oz). Slugs are going to leave tracks in the bore, doesn't hurt anything but are ugly. I just run a mop with Hoppes bore cleaner thru when it gets too bad. The other things to keep an eye on are the gas piston and the screw in choke. I put a tiny dot of blue loctite on the choke threads, and it hasn't backed out yet, so I'm good I think. The gas piston get's nasty in a hurry so you should clean it after every session just to be safe - it's easy to do.

PS: Make sure you get the "B" model, IWI fixed the problems they had with cycling on the first model. It will say TS-12B on the box.

[dasmoeturhead]

Good info, thanks. I checked them out today. Didn't really like the OD green, the FDE wasn't bad, and they didn't have one in black.
I liked it a lot. It's pretty short for me, and I really had to tuck into my shoulder and press my check hard against the stock to get a good sight picture. That is if you shoot it like a rifle. I think with a riser and red dot this will probably be a non issue. I was able to change mag tubes quite fast after messing with it for 5 minutes. I'm gonna wait for a black one, but if that wait is very long, I'll get the FDE. The other LGS said they carry them from time to time, but they sell quick.

[GunnyGene]

Good info, thanks. I checked them out today. Didn't really like the OD green, the FDE wasn't bad, and they didn't have one in black.
I liked it a lot. It's pretty short for me, and I really had to tuck into my shoulder and press my check hard against the stock to get a good sight picture. That is if you shoot it like a rifle. I think with a riser and red dot this will probably be a non issue. I was able to change mag tubes quite fast after messing with it for 5 minutes. I'm gonna wait for a black one, but if that wait is very long, I'll get the FDE. The other LGS said they carry them from time to time, but they sell quick.

You're welcome. When you get it, I strongly recommend the muzzle brake and butt pad from Manticore. They really do make a difference.

https://manticorearms.com/product-categ ... avor-ts12/.

PS: Did you see the post I made about sighting in a red dot? http://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=13350

Note that a slug will continue to gain altitude out to about 80yds from a 25yd zero, due to the height of the sight centerline above the bore axis. With mine that's about 3.75" . Not a big deal with buck or bird shot at typical ranges, but you should use slugs for sight in.

[dasmoeturhead]

Enter me into the IWI Tavor TS12 Owners club Gunny.

20220608_203522.jpg

Pulled the trigger after I posted my possible intent on the purchase. This thing is awesome, and I haven't even shot it yet. I still need a site, sling, butt pad, and brake.

[GunnyGene]

Enter me into the IWI Tavor TS12 Owners club Gunny.
20220608_203522.jpg
Pulled the trigger after I posted my possible intent on the purchase. This thing is awesome, and I haven't even shot it yet. I still need a site, sling, butt pad, and brake.

Welcome, indeed. The more you shoot it the more awesome it becomes. One thing you'll notice right off is that, unlike other shotguns, you get very little muzzle rise. The recoil comes straight back due to the barrel being almost perfectly aligned with the butt stock. This makes it easy and relatively accurate to shoot without shouldering it.

Enjoy.

[dasmoeturhead]

I put a set of old BUIS's on the TS12 just for the time being. I also bought another AR15, so im going to need 2 red dots. To be honest I'm a little worn out after yesterday's purchases. Can't really gripe to much after buying 2 new weapons. The safe will have to be re-arranged. The TS12 doesn't fit in a safe like a normal shotgun, but I have a sneaking suspicion it'll end up next to my nightstand.

[GunnyGene]

I put a set of old BUIS's on the TS12 just for the time being. I also bought another AR15, so im going to need 2 red dots. To be honest I'm a little worn out after yesterday's purchases. Can't really gripe to much after buying 2 new weapons. The safe will have to be re-arranged. The TS12 doesn't fit in a safe like a normal shotgun, but I have a sneaking suspicion it'll end up next to my nightstand.

Yeah, it's kind of a strange beast when it comes to storage. Have you watched any of the Youtube videos about it? There's several good ones - Hickock45, MAC, etc.

[dasmoeturhead]

I put a set of old BUIS's on the TS12 just for the time being. I also bought another AR15, so im going to need 2 red dots. To be honest I'm a little worn out after yesterday's purchases. Can't really gripe to much after buying 2 new weapons. The safe will have to be re-arranged. The TS12 doesn't fit in a safe like a normal shotgun, but I have a sneaking suspicion it'll end up next to my nightstand.

Yeah, it's kind of a strange beast when it comes to storage. Have you watched any of the Youtube videos about it? There's several good ones - Hickock45, MAC, etc.

I've watched quite a few, but not the ones you mentioned. I'll give them a try. I think the BUIS are going to work just fine. Now I just have to get to the range. Might be Monday or Tuesday before I get to the range. Also need some more 00 Buck, and more slugs to site in.

[GunnyGene]

I put a set of old BUIS's on the TS12 just for the time being. I also bought another AR15, so im going to need 2 red dots. To be honest I'm a little worn out after yesterday's purchases. Can't really gripe to much after buying 2 new weapons. The safe will have to be re-arranged. The TS12 doesn't fit in a safe like a normal shotgun, but I have a sneaking suspicion it'll end up next to my nightstand.

Yeah, it's kind of a strange beast when it comes to storage. Have you watched any of the Youtube videos about it? There's several good ones - Hickock45, MAC, etc.

I've watched quite a few, but not the ones you mentioned. I'll give them a try. I think the BUIS are going to work just fine. Now I just have to get to the range. Might be Monday or Tuesday before I get to the range. Also need some more 00 Buck, and more slugs to site in.

I tried some flip up BUIS initially, but my old eyes just weren't up to them.

[dasmoeturhead]

Yeah, it's kind of a strange beast when it comes to storage. Have you watched any of the Youtube videos about it? There's several good ones - Hickock45, MAC, etc.

I've watched quite a few, but not the ones you mentioned. I'll give them a try. I think the BUIS are going to work just fine. Now I just have to get to the range. Might be Monday or Tuesday before I get to the range. Also need some more 00 Buck, and more slugs to site in.

I tried some flip up BUIS initially, but my old eyes just weren't up to them.

I'm still going to get a red dot. My eyes get fuzzy after awhile with irons.

[dasmoeturhead]

Gunny, which choke did you use in your Tavor TS12 to sight in slugs? Finally got my red dot, but not sure which choke to use. There's a modified choke installed, with a 4 notch improved cylinder in the bag with a choke tool.

20220620_133414.jpg

20220620_133534.jpg