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Oh no...got hammered at the range today! UPDATE...

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:40 pm
by fortyshooter
Today I brought my Henry 45 Colt Carbine my 44 Special 1872 OT revolver and the 45 Colt Grizzly derringer to the range.
All was fine until the end when I fired off the Bond Arms 45/410 derringer. First round an something hit my thumb and then bounced off that and hit my right upper cheek missing my eye!!! What the .... was that as I looked down to see a shiny piece on the ground while grabbing my cheek looking for blood? :o :shock:
I'm okay but the hammer departed the Grizz as my confusion continued. The round was my 230 gr. XTP loaded with 9.2 of Unique which is the top load within standard Colt 45 pressure limit of 14,000 psi. Now remember you can swap out barrels on this gun like with a 357 Mag caliber which has way more pressure. Looking at the hammer break point the casting which is stainless steel looks really thin. Have shot this load many times in this and other small and large frame Colt 45 revolvers with no troubles and it was my preferred load for this derringer. Everything else on the gun functioned fine after the hammer broke and the fired case fell right out with no signs of high pressure on the case or primer area.
Will contact Bond Arms and see what they say. Why would the hammer break ???

The Colt 1872 OT revolver shot great as I was testing the effectiveness of a 44 Special 250 gr. soft lead hollow point vs. the 250 gr. 44 Special full wadcutter. The HP was loaded with 6.5 Unique and the FWC with 5.0 Red Dot and the HP showed little expansion but went the full 16 inch of gel block hitting wood back block. The FWC went the full length also but displayed a larger wound channel being the full diameter with sharp edge.
You can see the imprint of the denim on the bullet face! So I will use the 250 gr. FWC as round of choice for the Open Top revolver for any Self Defense issue with it. Firing some rounds from 15 feet at the center of target showed some good hits point shooting with no front sight!

And the Henry 45 Colt Carbine.....what can I say as it looks great with the 16 inch barrel and CCH and shoots as good as it looks with the 255 gr, plated bullet loaded with 9.5 Unique! Group of shots on the red dots.
That hammer flying off really got my attention today and now to find out why !

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:50 pm
by Ernie
I am very interested in what Bond Arms has to say. Glad you were all right.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:57 pm
by GFK
Wow! You were fortunate. I guess that is one reason why protective eyewear is required at a lot of ranges. Glad you are okay. Looks like some metal composite. Hopefully, it will be repaired.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:00 pm
by Vaquero
Dangit forty, glad your ok.

RP

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:01 pm
by Cowboy Gun Fan
Glad you're OK. Weird to have that happen. I also have the same gun with the same calibers and would also be interested in what Bond Arms says.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:11 pm
by fortyshooter
From looking at and handling this gun as beefy as it is...it was the last thing I would expect to happen! You never know and yes I had my glasses on as always. Glad it happened on the range and not during a real NEED to shoot as I was carrying it at times. Even with a new hammer it will now be a range only piece IF I keep it and that is a big IF ! If that is a cast piece I want a machined billet piece!!

Flashes of my chidhood came up from when I used to stack up the caps on my cap guns till the hammer blew off! :lol:

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:02 pm
by graywolf
Gosh, glad you are ok. I don't think I could shoot that one again.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:24 pm
by BigAl52
Looks to me like its a metal failure. Glad you are ok Forty.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:59 pm
by fortyshooter
Also looks like a few parts and a spring flew out as well.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:07 pm
by Mags
From both the granular look of the break and the satin polish of the hammer it looks like a cast part. Seems you noticed that too. Glad no harm to you.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:19 pm
by fortyshooter
Mags wrote:
Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:07 pm
From both the granular look of the break and the satin polish of the hammer it looks like a cast part. Seems you noticed that too. Glad no harm to you.
Yep cast stainless just like Ruger revolvers are made for frame and some MIM parts. Just looks like a really thin area wear it broke,
I did a search and can't find other cases of it happening so far. Maybe I tell them I had a .410 round in it so they can't scream "reloads" .
I know my loads are right and with Unique on the Dillon 550B you will get a .2 grain variation but not enough to blow a hammer off.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:01 pm
by brm4450
Glad your ok, the Bond not so much!

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:06 pm
by Cowboy Gun Fan
fortyshooter wrote:
Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:19 pm
Mags wrote:
Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:07 pm
From both the granular look of the break and the satin polish of the hammer it looks like a cast part. Seems you noticed that too. Glad no harm to you.
Yep cast stainless just like Ruger revolvers are made for frame and some MIM parts. Just looks like a really thin area wear it broke,
I did a search and can't find other cases of it happening so far. Maybe I tell them I had a .410 round in it so they can't scream "reloads" .
I know my loads are right and with Unique on the Dillon 550B you will get a .2 grain variation but not enough to blow a hammer off.
Since I don't reload, these are the ones I like using in my Bond Arms Rowdy:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018135851

(Glad I bought mine before these crazy new prices, lol)

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today!

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:13 am
by BrokenolMarine
I have the same press and have reloaded on it for two decades. NO issues.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today! UPDATE...

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:35 am
by fortyshooter
Called Bond Arms this morning and explained the problem and a FedEx shipping label is on the way. Might take up to 8 wks. to see it again.

I must add another clue to the broken hammer. About a week or so ago the Grizz did fall out my holster and skid on the gravel side of road while bending over to take care of Buster. Didn't see any damage to it so who knows if that had anything to do with it. But guns are designed to take a hit now and then. Will give a report when it returns.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today! UPDATE...

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:58 am
by Hatchdog
Things that make you say “hmmmmm”. Happy you weren’t injured but that was a close call. Hope Bond will make everything right for you.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today! UPDATE...

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:08 pm
by Cowboy Gun Fan
Have to say that I always believed the hammers were solid steel. These are high quality little guns and don't like the idea of them being cast.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today! UPDATE...

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:19 pm
by fortyshooter
Cowboy Gun Fan wrote:
Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:08 pm
Have to say that I always believed the hammers were solid steel. These are high quality little guns and don't like the idea of them being cast.
Yep it is cast as is the whole frame of it.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today! UPDATE...

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:48 pm
by BrokenolMarine
I had thought about buying the 357 version. Guess not.

Re: Oh no...got hammered at the range today! UPDATE...

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:35 pm
by Rifletom
Glad you're ok forty. Must have been an awakening moment. Doubt that I'd put any trust in that gun ever again. Dang.