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Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:29 pm
by Vaquero
I know most won't comment, because it's not about a Darn Henry. :roll:
This is my Romanian trainer M69, I believe it was used to simulate the Mosin Nagant.
I've had it for years, and has been a while since I last shot it. It has flip up rear sights that starts at 25 m, then a 50 m, and a 100 m. I've never shot it out to 100. :shock:
I drug it out Monday before I got the H001 out.
It has the original cleaning kit that stores it the butt stock.
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I setup at 25 meters and tried the same ammo that I later used in the Henry.
Then moved back to the picnic table that is around 50 meters actually probably a hair short of that. ;)

The target on the left was me familiarizing myself again. :lol: 25 m target.
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50 m target.
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RP

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:48 pm
by Rifletom
I'll comment. That M69 shoots! And shoots well. I like just about anything in .22lr. Too much fun. :)

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:08 pm
by BrokenolMarine
Sure we'll comment. I'll shoot em all. I was born to shoot. I like all guns, and especially accurate ones. :D

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:14 pm
by leverjc
Nice shooting old gun. Is it a bolt or semi auto?

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:20 pm
by Vaquero
leverjc wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:14 pm
Nice shooting old gun. Is it a bolt or semi auto?
Bolt action. ;)

RP

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:36 pm
by fortyshooter
That thing shoots good groups! Do you know the year it was made?

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:48 pm
by Shakey Jake
Congratulations!
Jake

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:35 pm
by BigAl52
You done well old man. Especially with them little dots :lol:

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:47 pm
by singleshooter357
That's some nice shooting Vaquero and also a nice looking 22rifle. Looks like you're in store for some good times ahead.

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:05 pm
by graywolf
Them 1" dots don't seem to be bothering you to much. Good shooting.

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:49 pm
by Sir Henry
I’ll comment for sure because I like rimfire. Looks like the Norma and CCI shot the best. I had a chance to pick up a trainer when I had my FFL and passed. Which I would have bought it.

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:13 am
by Vaquero
fortyshooter wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:36 pm
That thing shoots good groups! Do you know the year it was made?
No I haven't a clue, this one has 1976 stamped on the top side of the barrel, but
I've always thought it might be an import mark. No clue though, a little history on them.


A little background
The story of this .22 rifle really starts in World War Two Czechoslovakia. The Czechs produced weapons for the German war effort, among those weapons were .22 training rifles. After the war the Czechs continued to sell those .22 rifles as the Brno model 1. The Brno model 1 became the inspiration or genesis for many .22 training rifles used in the Warsaw Pact countries.

The Czechs ultimately perfected the excellent and still commercially available 452 and now 455 series of .22 rifles well received here in many flavors. The Poles produced the now forgotten but still excellent WZ78. The Yugoslavians created a great rifle that is also still commercially available. Sold under many names in the US including CZ 99 and Remington Model 5 that rifle has been positively reviewed here. The M69, produced from 1969 to 1989, is a Romanian variation in this lineage of .22 rifles.

In 1968 The Soviet Union sent tanks into Czechoslovakia to put down a reform movement called the Prague Spring. The Romanian government sought to generate popular enthusiasm by opposing the Soviet crackdown and encouraging the population to join the paramilitary Patriotic Guards to protect the country. Hundreds of thousands, men and women, joined and every community and factory had its own Patriotic Guards unit. The Romanian military had to have some means of teaching all these people how to shoot and the M69 is what they came up with.

The design goals of the rifle were to produce something that retained the positive qualities of the Brno 1 and like rifles, while also being quicker to produce, and cheaper to produce. They needed a lot of rifles to train people who likely had never held a gun before. Keep in mind Romania in the 70s and 80s had huge foreign debt so wages were very low and the government had no money.

RP

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:51 am
by Sir Henry
Vaquero wrote:
Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:13 am
fortyshooter wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:36 pm
That thing shoots good groups! Do you know the year it was made?
No I haven't a clue, this one has 1976 stamped on the top side of the barrel, but
I've always thought it might be an import mark. No clue though, a little history on them.


A little background
The story of this .22 rifle really starts in World War Two Czechoslovakia. The Czechs produced weapons for the German war effort, among those weapons were .22 training rifles. After the war the Czechs continued to sell those .22 rifles as the Brno model 1. The Brno model 1 became the inspiration or genesis for many .22 training rifles used in the Warsaw Pact countries.

The Czechs ultimately perfected the excellent and still commercially available 452 and now 455 series of .22 rifles well received here in many flavors. The Poles produced the now forgotten but still excellent WZ78. The Yugoslavians created a great rifle that is also still commercially available. Sold under many names in the US including CZ 99 and Remington Model 5 that rifle has been positively reviewed here. The M69, produced from 1969 to 1989, is a Romanian variation in this lineage of .22 rifles.

In 1968 The Soviet Union sent tanks into Czechoslovakia to put down a reform movement called the Prague Spring. The Romanian government sought to generate popular enthusiasm by opposing the Soviet crackdown and encouraging the population to join the paramilitary Patriotic Guards to protect the country. Hundreds of thousands, men and women, joined and every community and factory had its own Patriotic Guards unit. The Romanian military had to have some means of teaching all these people how to shoot and the M69 is what they came up with.

The design goals of the rifle were to produce something that retained the positive qualities of the Brno 1 and like rifles, while also being quicker to produce, and cheaper to produce. They needed a lot of rifles to train people who likely had never held a gun before. Keep in mind Romania in the 70s and 80s had huge foreign debt so wages were very low and the government had no money.

RP
Thanks for the lesson. As a WWII history person I found this interesting. I knew about the BRNO and had one.

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:04 am
by Mike_S
Always interested in any shooting! And older 22s rock!

Nice groups!

Re: Military Trainer.

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:30 am
by Rifletom
Randy, I'll try and send a picture of a CZ 452 Scout .22lr I have. My wife shoots that one sometimes cuz the LOP is short, like her.