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Post by PT7 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:40 am

I reported on my first time out trap shooting on July 9th. As yesterday's date shows, I don't get out to the trap range much at all. After July 9th, I shot one other round of trap at the KC Trap Association range, and yesterday shot 2 rounds. Yesterday's results were only so-so shooting, but still fun. And I learned some things as well.

Another first.
This was my first visit to shoot trap at the MO Dept of Conservation (MDC) shooting range called "Lake City" in Buckner, MO. (Same state range system that JEBar visits near St. Louis). This is really a very nice trap range, close by the rifle and pistol ranges. With a pretty hot and humid afternoon, attendance was quite sparse. There was one fellow on the rifle range, no one on the pistol range, and I had the trap range to myself! Well, not quite. My Benelli 20ga PUMP was with me, and the MDC Range Officer (RO) was standing by.

A note about the RO.
Bob is a very nice retired fellow, and he is the primary trap/skeet RO at Lake City. Since we're both retired, we had some good chat time in between my trap rounds. If the range isn't busy (like yesterday), he uses his time well by doing wood carving. He was finishing up a wood puzzle of a VW bus for his grandkid while we chatted, but told me he thought he would glue it together and just make it a toy. He had other wooden toys already done in his sack, and they were nicely carved out of maple wood. He is also a long-time trap shooter, and I did get a few pointers from him. And boy, do I need those pointers being a green newbie to this sport! :roll:

Trap loads.
I shot my first round with Remington Game Loads 7/8oz. 2-3/4" #8 shot (1225fps), and second round with Federal Game Loads 7/8oz. 2-3/4" #8 shot(1210fps). Although I'm not that experienced with trap ammo, I liked the Rem loads better. Maybe that's because my score was higher in that round! ;) The range rules restrict a shooter to loading only one shotshell at a time (safety precautions), so I did have a lot of practice with my pump action loading and ejecting 50 rounds yesterday!

I know this Range Report is missing photos of those all-telling targets. But without any video equipment, it's hard to bring you any images of those splashed targets, and even more often, those birds that kept on flying away totally intact!! :lol:

Scores recap.
Back on July 9th when I shot trap for the first time, I hit 9/25 birds. The second time out I hit 8/25.
Yesterday for round #1, I got 10/25. As most of us do, I like the improvement no matter how small.
Then big time "oops!" My second round was dismal, like the cloudy sky: only 6/25 birds taken. Those happen.

So it's easy to figure my percentage after four trap rounds: 33/100 = 33% hits! I recall from my teaching days that 33% is not quite passing. I'd say the same for my trap record thus far! ;)

Bob's pointers; what I learned.
~~It was interesting to learn from Bob where to hold my POA just before I called "pull" for him to release a bird for me. There are 5 different positions you face the trap house, and the angles shooting downrange are all different. So you point the shotgun at different points aligned against the trap house, and at slightly different heights. Still much to learn about this positioning.
~~Then he said I'll do better if I continue my swing after I shoot -- to continue following the path I was on "chasing" after the bird. I found that I often stopped cold after I shot, and he said that may change the direction of the shot ever so slightly. It did feel like I was "jerking" the shotgun when I stopped the swing. Again, much to learn about "chasing" the bird and swinging that shotgun.

What I saw down the barrel.
~~What I've read about sighting when shooting trap states that I should get away from focusing on the double bead sights. Rather, "swing" the barrel and lead the target. It makes sense, but challenging when so accustomed to right-on aim when shooting the bull at 50 yards! Again, I've still more to learn about aiming this new shotgun when shooting trap!

Summary of learning experience from my 3rd and 4th trap rounds!
~~Much to learn, and need to practice, practice, practice! After I finish practicing, practice some more!

I have found this to be a challenging sport, yet definitely much fun! I will keep after more birds on another day!!

Enjoy the upcoming weekend, Everyone!

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Post by JEBar » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:23 am

Missouri's State Parks are outstanding .... NC has nothing to compare to their shooting parks .... I found that adding a Hi-Viz Magnetic Front Shotgun Sight really helped ===> http://www.cabelas.com/product/hi-viz-m ... gun+sights .... it is magnetic, clips onto the ventilated rib .... over the years I've learned a great deal from folks who were shooting at Jay Henges

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Post by JCN » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:15 am

My friends and I like to try our hand at sporting clays from time to time. I've done so poorly that I decided lessons would help so I joined a skeet clinic hosted by a retired pro. Learning the fundamentals is huge! I liken it to golfing... it's a very frustrating sport that looks A LOT EASIER than it actually is. Very frustrating yet a lot of fun when you crush the clays!
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Post by CT_Shooter » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:31 am

Very informative range report, PT7. Thanks for taking the time to explain your technique and experience as you're learning to become better. The retelling of the days events should also help to reinforce that knowledge for your next trip, when I expect you will be shooting above 33%, though at what is a new sport, I think you did pretty well and would get a passing grade based on the class curve. ;)

The range officer sounds like a great guy and helpful, too. Fun at the shooting range is a good thing.
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Post by DWD445 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:36 am

Never tried Trap shooting, myself. Lots of Turkey shoots, but that "bird" don't fly !!!
For 2nd time I say 33% is not too bad, as you said PT "practice, practice" !!
But FUN was had I'm sure.

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Post by PT7 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:11 pm

Interesting way to add a front s/g sight onto a ventilated rib. I've read about those powerful rare-earth magnets before, when I was researching different ways to mount a tactical light on my 12-gauge magazine extension. I didn't know there was such a sight accessory available, JEBar.

My PUMP is a Nova Field, which cabelas said the sight should fit. I measured my ventilated rib and the two sizes they list wouldn't work. But that's okay. My Nova already has a front red optic sight that came stock. The mid-barrel sight is a bead. Appreciate the info. ;)

JEBar wrote:Missouri's State Parks are outstanding .... NC has nothing to compare to their shooting parks .... I found that adding a Hi-Viz Magnetic Front Shotgun Sight really helped ===> http://www.cabelas.com/product/hi-viz-m ... gun+sights .... it is magnetic, clips onto the ventilated rib .... over the years I've learned a great deal from folks who were shooting at Jay Henges

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Post by JEBar » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:35 pm

PT7 wrote:Interesting way to add a front s/g sight onto a ventilated rib..... I didn't know there was such a sight accessory available, JEBar.

My PUMP is a Nova Field, which cabelas said the sight should fit. I measured my ventilated rib and the two sizes they list wouldn't work. But that's okay. My Nova already has a front red optic sight that came stock. The mid-barrel sight is a bead. Appreciate the info. ;)

the one mounted on our 11-87 has held tight for literally thousands of rounds .... with my eyes, it sure makes sighting easier and locking on target quicker

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Post by Jdl447 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:24 pm

When shooting trap don't focus on the gun at all, just make sure you have the correct hold with a good cheek weld.focus on something beyond the range of the targets, your eyes focus better far to near than near to far.when the birds come out they are easier and faster to pickup. Good luck.
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Post by PT7 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:03 pm

You've said quite a lot here, JCN....good stuff. It somewhat echoes what I've been thinking as I've taken the sport on. It is challenging!!

Here is one foundational item I've found in my reading about trap shooting. It is a Remington "Trap Shooting Fundamentals Handbook."
https://support.remington.com/General_I ... k#Overview

Number 9.1, Shooting Positions & Angles of Flight, and Number 11, 16-Yard Singles are two areas I've been studying lately. After shooting some trap, these make more sense to me. But there are, as you said, a huge amount of fundamentals to consider!

Appreciate your comments!
JCN wrote:My friends and I like to try our hand at sporting clays from time to time. I've done so poorly that I decided lessons would help so I joined a skeet clinic hosted by a retired pro. Learning the fundamentals is huge! I liken it to golfing... it's a very frustrating sport that looks A LOT EASIER than it actually is. Very frustrating yet a lot of fun when you crush the clays!

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Post by PT7 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:00 pm

Interesting, Jdl447. I get the comments you made on eyes' focus....makes sense, and I plan to try adjust my focus next time out. Would like to "see" how it works for me. ;)

But would you more fully explain what you mean (and do) to "have the correct hold with a good cheek weld?"
I've not yet focused or worked on that. Thanks!

Jdl447 wrote:When shooting trap don't focus on the gun at all, just make sure you have the correct hold with a good cheek weld.focus on something beyond the range of the targets, your eyes focus better far to near than near to far.when the birds come out they are easier and faster to pickup. Good luck.

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Post by Jdl447 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:51 pm

You want to mount the gun the same every time. Where the stock meets your cheek and how the rib lines up with your eye. I mount so I don't see any of the rib just the bead.
Have you tried the AA Tracker shells?
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Post by PT7 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:03 pm

Understood on the cheek weld.

I had a SxS once with only a bead as the front sight; but this Nova has a center-of-barrel bead and a fiber optic front sight. How would you sight that looking down the rib?

No, I've not tried nor heard of AA Tracker shells. I looked them up and see they are made by Winchester. Then I found a good explanatory article on Gear Review about these shells. http://www.guns.com/review/gear-review- ... hotshells/ They look quite interesting as a training tool for a new trap shooter. I'll try to find them probably at my next cabelas visit, or at my LGS. Thanks for the recommendation.
Jdl447 wrote:You want to mount the gun the same every time. Where the stock meets your cheek and how the rib lines up with your eye. I mount so I don't see any of the rib just the bead.
Have you tried the AA Tracker shells?

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Post by Jdl447 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:54 am

Like a figure 8 with the center bead on the bottom.
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Post by PT7 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:07 am

Thanks for your comments, Jdl447. I have a nice "to-do-list" for my next trap shooting outing! ;)
If I get some of the AA Tracker shotshells, I will try those, too, and include that experience in a Range Report.

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Post by PT7 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:10 am

I have had some challenges finding the AA tracker shells, but finally located some tonight on the web. I have some Qs for you about the wad color options.

The description says: "... they come in either a black or bright orange wad. The black wad is perfect when used in bright light conditions while the orange wad is best when used in low light conditions such as cloudy days."

Have you used the black or orange, or both?
If both, what do you prefer?
And are they easier to see based on the light conditions in the description?

Thanks...I didn't order yet, but wanted to get your thinking on the options.
Jdl447 wrote:Have you tried the AA Tracker shells?

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Post by Jdl447 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:38 am

A bud and I each shot a box of the black wads, our range has a high hill with trees in the background, best to have someone stand behind you and spot for ya.we usually shoot the 1 1/8 once federal 7 1/2 shot target loads.
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Post by JCN » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:11 am

I spent some time shooting clays with my buddy over the weekend and it reminded me of this post. It turns out even the ONE lesson I had really paid off. I focused on the clay and not the bead of the shotgun and always kept the gun ahead of the clay. Tried out 5 Stand for the first time and was able to hit 20/25 and also ran 60% on the Sporting Clays course (much better than I used to do).

It's time to buy a shotgun for clays and practice a lot more!
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Post by PT7 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:55 pm

I tried to get to the trap range over the last few weeks, but had lots of either very hot & humid weather, and even more rainy days. Hopefully will get out again soon. 20/25 for 5-Stand is a very good job, and 60% on sporting clays is nothing to sneeze at either! Congrats! Your training paid off for sure. ;) I look forward to getting at least over 50% in the days ahead, but by only reading "how-to-do-it isn't quite enough help. The hands-on training time sounds the best way to go.

There is a "Shoot & Hoot" 3-day event coming up in southern MO on Oct, 7-9, 2016. http://www.shotgunforums.com/forums/sho ... 016-a.html It is held 2X/year in the spring and fall. The owner of the trap range is a former ember of the U.S. Navy Skeet Team. This link shows the first post (from last April) describing/announcing the October event.

I'm fairly close to this southern MO trap range, about 4 hours south of me. I've just not been able to get three days of helper coverage to stay with my wife while I'm gone (my wife is in a wheelchair and needs a regular caregiver available 24/7). Anyway, the owner/event coordinator, "bobski," includes in the shooting events personalized training for newbies to the sport. That would be great for me! I know that since trap shooting is a very challenging sport, a training session like he offers would be very helpful. I tried to go a couple of years ago, registered and paid the fees, but my wife got ill the week of the event, so I missed it. Someday I hope.

I'll be interested in what kind of shotgun you do get for clays. I'm a member of the Shotgun Forums, and discussions about shotguns for these sports are always most lively and interesting! Appreciate your posts...have a great day! :D

P.S. Thought I'd mention that I did get some of the AA tracker shells you suggested. Will be cool to try them out.

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Post by JCN » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:19 am

Now I need to decide on a shotgun. I'm partial to o/u but the price of entry is steep.
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