The latest BS from the ATF

[Vaquero]

Going to try and shove Washington's new gun law down the whole country's thraot.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YlztaGUwGE

RP

[fortyshooter]

Unfortunately Virginia has the Universal Background Check law and all private sales have to go to a participating FFL dealer to be completed.

[Cowboy Gun Fan]

Unfortunately Virginia has the Universal Background Check law and all private sales have to go to a participating FFL dealer to be completed.

Yeah, we can thank our un-named previous administration for that.

[GunnyGene]

This has been in the news the past week or so. It's not enforceable, since it would require a searchable registry of every firearm in the country, where it is and who has it at any given moment. The technology for that to happen doesn't exist, the criminal class will ignore it, and btw a searchable registry is illegal under current law. And that doesn't take into account the political angles - but we're not supposed to talk about that.

[Vaquero]

My thought too, gunny, there are so many firearms in this country that are not in the hands of the original purchaser.
So unless you willing go to the ffl to do the paperwork, how is anyone going to know what each of us own at the said time the law is passed?
If it does.
Just another way to screw us gun owners out of more money...and time.

RP

[Luv the lever]

If you’d like to see where it’s going watch ILLannoys, Cali and NY. IL has a trust fund who’s first job was governor just churning out unconstitutional law after law trying to break the bank of opponents.

[Mags]

... and btw a searchable registry is illegal under current law.

Federal maybe. At the state level that is not true. California has a searchable registry available to the courts and law enforcement. I'm sure other gun unfriendly states have them as well. If Oregon Measure 114 passes court challenges, Oregon will have a searchable registry as well.

[markiver54]

And that doesn't take into account the political angles - but we're not supposed to talk about that.

Exactly Gunny, so let's leave this alone guys...K?

[GunnyGene]

... and btw a searchable registry is illegal under current law.

Federal maybe. At the state level that is not true. California has a searchable registry available to the courts and law enforcement. I'm sure other gun unfriendly states have them as well. If Oregon Measure 114 passes court challenges, Oregon will have a searchable registry as well.

True. The prohibition only applies at the Federal level.

[GunnyGene]

And that doesn't take into account the political angles - but we're not supposed to talk about that.

Exactly Gunny, so let's leave this alone guys...K?

Fine with me.

[dave77]

Local law enforcement can definitely trace serial numbers. A few years ago I got a letter from local police that a gun that may have been mine had been recovered. I did call about it and it was a pistol that I had traded in years earlier at a LGS. I told them that and never heard anything more and was given no details other than it had been recovered.

[Shakey Jake]

Unfortunately Virginia has the Universal Background Check law and all private sales have to go to a participating FFL dealer to be completed.

I can see that. I had a fellow want to buy my Radical Firearms 556 16 MLOK. First of all, I didn't want to sell it, and, secondly, I asked him why he wanted to buy mine as they were readily available now at gun stores. He said he just wanted one and then I asked him if he could pass a background check. All of a sudden, he didn't want to purchase it. I will not sell one of my guns without going through my FFL. That way I know I'm protected if anything happens in the future with the firearm. It may be a PITA but I'd rather not have the liability.
Jake

[fortyshooter]

I have a few bought years ago from people I knew and will hold on to those. The former owners have all passed on some years ago....no paper trail.

[Sir Henry]

I sold a lot of firearms to Cabela’s when I left Washington. I took a loss over what I could have sold them for privately but it’s illegal and for leaving a few bucks on the table I don’t have to worry about what crimes they may be involved.

Here in rural Wisconsin I often see firearms available at garage sales.

[fortyshooter]

I sold a lot of firearms to Cabela’s when I left Washington. I took a loss over what I could have sold them for privately but it’s illegal and for leaving a few bucks on the table I don’t have to worry about what crimes they may be involved.

Here in rural Wisconsin I often see firearms available at garage sales.

Was like that here until several years ago when the Democrats owned the Gov. chair and both houses of power.

[Vaquero]

I sold a lot of firearms to Cabela’s when I left Washington. I took a loss over what I could have sold them for privately but it’s illegal and for leaving a few bucks on the table I don’t have to worry about what crimes they may be involved.

Here in rural Wisconsin I often see firearms available at garage sales.

I bought a pair of shotguns at the flee market once.
Even bought an old S&W 32 at an estate auction once.
Neither of those purchases have paperwork.
I've bought quite a few guns from individuals, even sold a couple. Yep, no paperwork.

RP

[GFK]

Paper work has its pros: if you end up with a firearm that was involved in a murder and there is no paper work trail, the trail may end with the person who possesses the firearm. Yes, it may be rare. Yet, is it worth it? To some, that answer may be yes. To me, the answer is no.

A club member was wanting to sell a Marlin 30-30 Glenfield brand, a few years back. The lever would pop out, just probably required some oil. He wanted $200.00. I think that I offered $150.00-$180.00, with a bill of sale. He claimed that $200.00 was firm. But, I suspected that a bill of sale was a concern as well. No, I didn't think that the rifle was involved in a crime. Yet, why take a chance? Anyway, we did not agree on a price. I had (have) two 30-30s. So, I was not too concern.

I was looking more to seeing if there was something to this JM thing. So far, I think not. At most, there was more hand fitting than now. Because of that, last wear in was required, making the rifles smoother from the start. I don't mind wearing a rifle in. It is a way of making it my own. If it gives me about 40 years of service, I will count it good. However, I suspect that they will be around for 50+ years or so, as long as maintenance is kept up on them.

[Vaquero]

Paper work has its pros: if you end up with a firearm that was involved in a murder and there is no paper work trail, the trail may end with the person who possesses the firearm. Yes, it may be rare. Yet, is it worth it? To some, that answer may be yes. To me, the answer is no.

A club member was wanting to sell a Marlin 30-30 Glenfield brand, a few years back. The lever would pop out, just probably required some oil. He wanted $200.00. I think that I offered $150.00-$180.00, with a bill of sale. He claimed that $200.00 was firm. But, I suspected that a bill of sale was a concern as well. No, I didn't think that the rifle was involved in a crime. Yet, why take a chance? Anyway, we did not agree on a price. I had (have) two 30-30s. So, I was not too concern.

I was looking more to seeing if there was something to this JM thing. So far, I think not. At most, there was more hand fitting than now. Because of that, last wear in was required, making the rifles smoother from the start. I don't mind wearing a rifle in. It is a way of making it my own. If it gives me about 40 years of service, I will count it good. However, I suspect that they will be around for 50+ years or so, as long as maintenance is kept up on them.

The paper work doesn't bother me one way or another other than the fact that it just adds Unnecessary costs to the the purchaser.
I love the fact that there is no way for the government to know I own those.

As to the JM thang, it's all I own with the exception of a model 60.
All my levers were JM made, I do know some friends that own or have owned quality made Rem./Marlins that were fine firearms.
Oldest is from 1899 to an early '07.
As to the Glenfield, I would have snatched it up so fast. Probably a loose screw or spring.
I had one and let one of my neighbors talk me out of it.
My first rifle, I still have, it's a '74 made 336 in 30-30. I got it the summer of '83.
I helped the guy I worked for one weekend put siding on a friend of his new house.
All day Sat. and til around lunch on Sun., the rifle was my pay. No paper work, just handed me the rifle and said thank you.
That thing has taken quite a few deer through the years, for years it was the only cf rifle I owned.
It was retired when I found my first 35 Rem., I still shoot it occasionally.

RP

[GFK]

Paper work has its pros: if you end up with a firearm that was involved in a murder and there is no paper work trail, the trail may end with the person who possesses the firearm. Yes, it may be rare. Yet, is it worth it? To some, that answer may be yes. To me, the answer is no.

A club member was wanting to sell a Marlin 30-30 Glenfield brand, a few years back. The lever would pop out, just probably required some oil. He wanted $200.00. I think that I offered $150.00-$180.00, with a bill of sale. He claimed that $200.00 was firm. But, I suspected that a bill of sale was a concern as well. No, I didn't think that the rifle was involved in a crime. Yet, why take a chance? Anyway, we did not agree on a price. I had (have) two 30-30s. So, I was not too concern.

I was looking more to seeing if there was something to this JM thing. So far, I think not. At most, there was more hand fitting than now. Because of that, last wear in was required, making the rifles smoother from the start. I don't mind wearing a rifle in. It is a way of making it my own. If it gives me about 40 years of service, I will count it good. However, I suspect that they will be around for 50+ years or so, as long as maintenance is kept up on them.

The paper work doesn't bother me one way or another other than the fact that it just adds Unnecessary costs to the the purchaser.
I love the fact that there is no way for the government to know I own those.

As to the JM thang, it's all I own with the exception of a model 60.
All my levers were JM made, I do know some friends that own or have owned quality made Rem./Marlins that were fine firearms.
Oldest is from 1899 to an early '07.
As to the Glenfield, I would have snatched it up so fast. Probably a loose screw or spring.
I had one and let one of my neighbors talk me out of it.
My first rifle, I still have, it's a '74 made 336 in 30-30. I got it the summer of '83.
I helped the guy I worked for one weekend put siding on a friend of his new house.
All day Sat. and til around lunch on Sun., the rifle was my pay. No paper work, just handed me the rifle and said thank you.
That thing has taken quite a few deer through the years, for years it was the only cf rifle I owned.
It was retired when I found my first 35 Rem., I still shoot it occasionally.

RP

Yes, it would be hard for me to pass up a firearm given to me.